I guess i figured out why Ball plastic canning jars disappeared last year. The 16oz showed up in a 4 pk for about 3.50. Then couldnt be found again. The new 16oz comes in a 2pk for under $4. But the design is completely different, the lid now has a sort of one piece gasket construction. I guess they got complaints about the other design with i admit was untrustworthy. But now they are twice the price. Good thing i only need a few. When i make a stew or soup i put one or two of these in the freezer. Eventually i will have an assortment in there to choose from. But i am actually eating from this larder.